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Ferdinand Mayer FRANCLEMONT

Male 1893 - 1942  (49 years)


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Ferdinand Mayer FRANCLEMONT was born on 23 Aug 1893 in Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States; was christened on 10 Sep 1893 in Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States; died on 15 Nov 1942 in Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States; was buried in United German and French Cemetary Lot 56 Section RR.

    Other Events:

    • Residence: 1900, 629 Oak Street, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Age: 6Marital Status: Single; Relation to Head of House: Son
    • Residence: 1905, 410 Dodge Street, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Relation to Head of House: Son
    • Occupation: 1910; Errand boy for Wholesale drug
    • Residence: 1910, 410 Dodge Street, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Age in 1910: 16Marital Status: Single; Relation to Head of House: Son
    • Occupation: 1 Jun 1915; Chauffer
    • Residence: 01 Jun 1915, 109 Northland Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Age: 21Relationship: Son
    • Residence: 05 Jun 1917, Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States
    • Occupation: 1920; Toolmaker at William Manufacturing Company
    • Residence: 1920, 1431 Hertel Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Buffalo Ward 20, Erie, New York Age: 26Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Son
    • Occupation: 1925; Machinist - Die
    • Residence: 01 Jun 1925, 35 Alice Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Age: 31Relationship: Head
    • Residence: 1929, 35 Alice Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA
    • Occupation: 1930; Dye Sinker at Drop Forge
    • Residence: 1930, 35 Alice Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Age: 36Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Head
    • Residence: 1932, 35 Alice Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA
    • Residence: 1935, Buffalo, Erie, New York
    • Occupation: 1940; Die Trimmer at Tool Factory
    • Residence: 1940, 35 Alice Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Marital Status: MarriedRelation to Head: Head

    Notes:

    Died:
    Age at Death: 49

    Family/Spouse: Gertrude OSTER. Gertrude (daughter of Phillip OSTER and Adella Ella FASSETT) was born on 21 Jan 1897 in Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; died on 08 Jan 1985 in Buffalo, Erie County, New York, USA; was buried on 11 Jan 1985 in United German and French Cemetary Lot 56 Section RR. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 2. Ferdinand FRANCLEMONT  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 17 May 1916; died in 1916.
    2. 3. Gertrude Marie FRANCLEMONT  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 01 Sep 1918 in Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; died in Jan 1985.
    3. 4. Richard William FRANCLEMONT  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 14 Sep 1923 in Buffalo, New York; died on 29 Jan 2004 in Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States; was buried on 29 Jan 2004 in Cheektowaga, Erie, New York, USA.
    4. 5. Herbert Raymond FRANCLEMONT  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 05 Nov 1925 in Buffalo, Erie County, New York, USA; died on 19 Aug 1995 in Rochester, Monroe, New York, USA; was buried on 23 Aug 1995 in Holy Sepulchre Cemetery and Mausoleums, 2461 Lake Avenue, Rochester, Monroe, New York, USA.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Ferdinand FRANCLEMONT Descendancy chart to this point (1.Ferdinand1) was born on 17 May 1916; died in 1916.

    Notes:

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  2. 3.  Gertrude Marie FRANCLEMONT Descendancy chart to this point (1.Ferdinand1) was born on 01 Sep 1918 in Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; died in Jan 1985.

    Other Events:

    • Residence: 1920, 1431 Hertel Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Buffalo Ward 20, Erie, New York Age: 1Age: 1 2/12; Marital Status: Single; Relation to Head of House: Granddaughter
    • Residence: 01 Jun 1925, 35 Alice Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Age: 06Relationship: Daughter
    • Residence: 1930, 35 Alice Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Age: 11Marital Status: Single; Relation to Head of House: Daughter
    • Residence: 1935, Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States
    • Residence: 01 Apr 1940, Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States; Age: 21Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Wife
    • Residence: 1950, Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States
    • Residence: 1993; Tonawanda, Erie, New York, United States

    Notes:

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    Family/Spouse: Clarence Jacob THOMANN. Clarence (son of Jacob THOMANN and Gertude M) was born on 25 Jul 1915 in New York, USA; died on 22 Mar 2010. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 6. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 7. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  3. 4.  Richard William FRANCLEMONT Descendancy chart to this point (1.Ferdinand1) was born on 14 Sep 1923 in Buffalo, New York; died on 29 Jan 2004 in Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States; was buried on 29 Jan 2004 in Cheektowaga, Erie, New York, USA.

    Other Events:

    • Residence: Buffalo, Erie, New York
    • Residence: Erie, New York, USA
    • Residence: 01 Jun 1925, 35 Alice Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Age: 01Relationship: Son
    • Residence: 1930, 35 Alice Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Age: 6Marital Status: Single; Relation to Head of House: Son
    • Residence: 1935, Buffalo, Erie, New York
    • Residence: 1940, 35 Alice Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Marital Status: SingleRelation to Head: Son
    • Residence: 1941, 35 Alice Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA
    • _MILT: 17 Mar 1943, Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States
    • Residence: 1950, Buffalo, New York, USA
    • Residence: 1956, 7 Sun Street, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Listed as an installer for the telephone company
    • Residence: 1993, 166 Kay Street, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA
    • Residence: 1996, 166 Kay Street, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA

    Notes:

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    Died:
    Age at Death: 78

    Richard married Eileen Mary ANGER on 18 Jun 1947 in NorthEast, Pennsylvania, United States, and was divorced on 01 Feb 1954 in Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States. Eileen (daughter of Dennis Albert ANGER and Hazel May HUTCHESON, daughter of David L KELLEY and Rose EUTAINE) was born on 01 Mar 1924 in 131 Youngstown Avenue, Baltimore, Maryland, USA; died on 09 Feb 2011 in 16 Olcott Place, Cheektowaga, Erie, New York, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 8. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 9. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 10. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

    Richard married Sandra Lucille CLIFFORD on 25 Jun 1955 in Amherst, New York, USA. Sandra (daughter of William Henry CLIFFORD and Elizabeth ROLOFF) was born on 04 Mar 1936 in New York, USA; died on 06 Aug 2020. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 11. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 12. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 13. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 14. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  4. 5.  Herbert Raymond FRANCLEMONT Descendancy chart to this point (1.Ferdinand1) was born on 05 Nov 1925 in Buffalo, Erie County, New York, USA; died on 19 Aug 1995 in Rochester, Monroe, New York, USA; was buried on 23 Aug 1995 in Holy Sepulchre Cemetery and Mausoleums, 2461 Lake Avenue, Rochester, Monroe, New York, USA.

    Other Events:

    • Residence: Buffalo, Erie, New York
    • Residence: 756 Dick Rd. , Cheektowaga
    • Residence: Buffalo, New York
    • Residence: Erie, New York, USA
    • SSN: 094-18-2468
    • Birth: 05 Nov 1926, New York, USA
    • Residence: 1930, 35 Alice Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Age: 4Age: 4 5/12; Marital Status: Single; Relation to Head of House: Son
    • Residence: 1935, Buffalo, Erie, New York
    • Residence: 1940, 35 Alice Avenue, Buffalo, Erie, New York, USA; Marital Status: SingleRelation to Head: Son
    • _MILT: 25 Jan 1944, Buffalo, New York, USA
    • _MILT: 09 Nov 1944, Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States
    • Residence: Dec 1994, 18 Rainer Street, Rochester, Monroe, New York, USA

    Notes:

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    Buried:
    Name of Deceased: Franclemont Herbert R. Cemetery: Holy Sepulchre Cemetery Section: SO49 Cemetery Lot/Tier: VET Cemetery Wall: Grave Number: 642 Burial Date: August 23, 1995 Additional Cemetery Info: So49 Veterans Age: 69

    Herbert married Joan Margaret THINES on 10 Sep 1955 in Our Mother of Sorrows R.C.C., Rochester, Monroe, New York, USA. Joan (daughter of Charles Leo THINES and Agnes Anna Elizabeth HERRMANN) was born on 24 Aug 1932 in Rochester, Monroe, New York, USA; died on 09 Sep 2000 in Rochester, Monroe, New York, USA; was buried on 14 Sep 2000 in Holy Sepulchre Cemetery and Mausoleums, 2461 Lake Avenue, Monroe County, New York, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 15. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 16. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 17. Ronald Joseph FRANCLEMONT  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 23 Mar 1960 in Rochester, Monroe, New York, USA; died on 12 Jul 2005.
    4. 18. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    5. 19. Living  Descendancy chart to this point


Generation: 3

  1. 6.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (3.Gertrude2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 20. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 21. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 22. James COLBY  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 23. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  2. 7.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (3.Gertrude2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 24. Christine VISON  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 25. Charles Paul VISON  Descendancy chart to this point

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  3. 8.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 26. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 27. Amy Jane FRANCLEMONT  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 29 Feb 1972 in Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States; died on 23 Mar 1972 in Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States; was buried in Cheektowaga, Erie County, New York, USA.
    3. 28. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  4. 9.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 29. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 30. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  5. 10.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 31. Corina FRANCLEMONT  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 32. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  6. 11.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 33. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 34. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 35. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  7. 12.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 36. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 37. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  8. 13.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 38. Samantha FRANCLEMONT  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 39. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 40. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  9. 14.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 41. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 42. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  10. 15.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 43. Catherine FRANCLEMONT  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 44. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 45. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 46. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  11. 16.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 47. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  12. 17.  Ronald Joseph FRANCLEMONT Descendancy chart to this point (5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1) was born on 23 Mar 1960 in Rochester, Monroe, New York, USA; died on 12 Jul 2005.

    Other Events:

    • Residence: 756 Townline Road, Alden, Erie, New York, USA
    • Residence: 1986, Attica, Wyoming, New York, USA

    Family/Spouse: Cynthia Leah EASON. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 48. Benjamin Tyler FRANCLEMONT  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 49. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 50. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 51. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  13. 18.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  14. 19.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 52. Jasmine FRANCLEMONT-FROST  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 53. Travis FRANCLEMONT-FROST  Descendancy chart to this point


Generation: 4

  1. 20.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (6.Living3, 3.Gertrude2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 21.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (6.Living3, 3.Gertrude2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  3. 22.  James COLBY Descendancy chart to this point (6.Living3, 3.Gertrude2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  4. 23.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (6.Living3, 3.Gertrude2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  5. 24.  Christine VISON Descendancy chart to this point (7.Living3, 3.Gertrude2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  6. 25.  Charles Paul VISON Descendancy chart to this point (7.Living3, 3.Gertrude2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  7. 26.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (8.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 54. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 55. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 56. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  8. 27.  Amy Jane FRANCLEMONT Descendancy chart to this point (8.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1) was born on 29 Feb 1972 in Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States; died on 23 Mar 1972 in Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States; was buried in Cheektowaga, Erie County, New York, USA.

    Other Events:

    • Death: 22 March 1972, Buffalo, Erie, New York, United States


  9. 28.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (8.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 57. Sawyer Mae KONFEDERATH  Descendancy chart to this point

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 58. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 59. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 60. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  10. 29.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (9.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  11. 30.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (9.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  12. 31.  Corina FRANCLEMONT Descendancy chart to this point (10.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Other Events:

    • Residence: Oct 1997, 15 Bonita Drive, Depew, Erie, New York, USA

    Family/Spouse: Shawn ZANKL. Shawn was born in 14 Apr. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 61. Evan ZANKL  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 62. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  13. 32.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (10.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  14. 33.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (11.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  15. 34.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (11.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  16. 35.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (11.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  17. 36.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (12.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 63. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 64. Leo LANG  Descendancy chart to this point
    3. 65. Living  Descendancy chart to this point
    4. 66. Millie LANG  Descendancy chart to this point

  18. 37.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (12.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  19. 38.  Samantha FRANCLEMONT Descendancy chart to this point (13.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  20. 39.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (13.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  21. 40.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (13.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  22. 41.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (14.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  23. 42.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (14.Living3, 4.Richard2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  24. 43.  Catherine FRANCLEMONT Descendancy chart to this point (15.Living3, 5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  25. 44.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (15.Living3, 5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 67. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  26. 45.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (15.Living3, 5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  27. 46.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (15.Living3, 5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  28. 47.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (16.Living3, 5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  29. 48.  Benjamin Tyler FRANCLEMONT Descendancy chart to this point (17.Ronald3, 5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Benjamin married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  30. 49.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (17.Ronald3, 5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Living married Living [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 68. Living  Descendancy chart to this point

  31. 50.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (17.Ronald3, 5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

    Family/Spouse: Living. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 69. Brooke Elsie BOGUMIL  Descendancy chart to this point
    2. 70. Paige Autumn BOGUMIL  Descendancy chart to this point

  32. 51.  Living Descendancy chart to this point (17.Ronald3, 5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  33. 52.  Jasmine FRANCLEMONT-FROST Descendancy chart to this point (19.Living3, 5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)

  34. 53.  Travis FRANCLEMONT-FROST Descendancy chart to this point (19.Living3, 5.Herbert2, 1.Ferdinand1)